tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post4226398697759018783..comments2024-02-29T12:38:32.191-08:00Comments on MUSINGS ON IRAQ: U.S. Military And Intelligence Counts Of Iraqi DeathsJoel Winghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09611810110771744360noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post-90336111976007913662010-12-19T14:56:28.163-08:002010-12-19T14:56:28.163-08:00Excellent. Many thanks!Excellent. Many thanks!amaginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post-76569469160537960082010-12-18T17:59:03.734-08:002010-12-18T17:59:03.734-08:00Amagi,
Here's the articles I've read so f...Amagi,<br /><br />Here's the articles I've read so far on Lancet:<br /><br />Dardagan, Hamit, Sloboda, John, and Dougherty, Josh, “Reality checks: some responses to the latest Lancet estimates,” Iraq Body Count, 10/16/06<br /><br />Bohannon, John, “Iraqi Death Estimates Called Too High; Methods Faulted,” Science, 10/22/06<br /><br />van der Laan, Mark, “”Mortality after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: A cross-sectional cluster sample survey”, by Burnham et al (2006, Lancet, www.thelancet.com): An Approximate Confidence Interval for Total Number of Violent Deaths in the Post Invasion Period,” Division of Biostatistics, University of California, Berkeley, 10/26/06<br /><br />Shone, Robert, “Scientists criticize Lancet 2006 study on Iraqi deaths,” Media Hell, 2007<br /><br />Giles, Jim, “Death toll in Iraq: survey team takes on its critics,” Nature, 3/1/07<br /><br />Guha-Sapir, Debarati Degomme, Olivier, “Estimating mortality in civil conflicts: lessons from Iraq,” Centre for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters, June 2007<br /><br />Munro, Neil, “Data Bomb,” National Journal, 1/4/08<br /><br />Johnson, Neil, Spagat, Michael, Gourley, Sean, Onnela, Jukka-Pekka, and Reinert, Gesine, “Bias in Epidemiological Studies of Conflict Mortality,” Journal of Peace Research, September 2008<br /><br />Onnela, J.-P., Johnson, N.F., Gourley, S., Reinert, G., and Spagat, M., “Sampling bias in systems with structural heterogeneity and limited internal diffusion,” EPL, January 2009<br /><br />Spagat, Michael, “Mainstreaming an Outlier: The Quest to Corroborate the Second Lancet Survey of Mortality in Iraq,” Department of Economics Department, University of London, February 2009<br /><br />BBC, “Iraqi death researcher censured,” 2/4/09<br /><br />Shone, Robert, “Dubious polls: How accurate are Iraq’s death counts?” The Comment Factory, 6/30/10Joel Winghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09611810110771744360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post-16715635279021741662010-12-17T09:15:29.585-08:002010-12-17T09:15:29.585-08:00Joel, thank you! I would very much like a list of...Joel, thank you! I would very much like a list of sources (and, may I say, you always do a fantastic job of sourcing your reports). I am nothing if not patient however, and will happily wait until you post the piece that you are intending to write.amaginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post-75289684420060568802010-12-16T19:05:27.093-08:002010-12-16T19:05:27.093-08:00Amagi,
The Lancet study was popular int he press,...Amagi,<br /><br />The Lancet study was popular int he press, but has largely been discredited by academics.<br /><br />They had problems with their methodlogy, had some glaring questions about the data the used, refused to share their findings with others, have been censured, might have faked some results, etc.<br /><br />If you want I can list a bunch of sources that have critiqued the report. I've been going through them because when I have more time I plan to write a piece about it.Joel Winghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09611810110771744360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post-83380304727663073742010-12-16T17:38:22.636-08:002010-12-16T17:38:22.636-08:00Don,
I think the first kind of data is impossible...Don,<br /><br />I think the first kind of data is impossible. While the sectarian war was going on there was just too much killing going on that no one took credit for. <br /><br />Of the second kind, only traffic deaths would be recorded. It would be too hard to single out a specific cause for other types of death.Joel Winghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09611810110771744360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post-47261133604674260872010-12-16T13:17:31.945-08:002010-12-16T13:17:31.945-08:00I'd say that the 2006 Lancet survey has been q...I'd say that the 2006 Lancet survey has been quite thoroughly debunked. See here for example:<br />http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/exaggerated-orb/<br /><br />Or also see the end of this posting for a long list of academic critiques that have rejected the Lancet survey:<br />http://www.thecommentfactory.com/why-is-the-chilcot-iraq-inquiry-ignoring-the-spilt-blood-3490/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post-89606128991831098332010-12-16T11:04:58.308-08:002010-12-16T11:04:58.308-08:00Whatever happened to that 2006 Lancet survey? Why...Whatever happened to that 2006 Lancet survey? Why don't we hear about that anymore? So far as I know, despite being censured when they wouldn't release their data, their study was never retracted or debunked.amaginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1953410733493889728.post-18591408765993852922010-12-16T09:23:14.289-08:002010-12-16T09:23:14.289-08:00It would be desirable to have figures broken down ...It would be desirable to have figures broken down by cause of death - attack by coalition forces, attack by Sunni insurgents, attack by Shia insurgents, etc.<br /><br />What the figures do not (and probably cannot) cover is the incidental mortality, such as infant deaths caused by breakdown of water and sewage services, early deaths of older people caused by breakdown of health services, and excess traffic accidents caused by the large number of new drivers.Don Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11232752398252841794noreply@blogger.com